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	<description>Rob Ciampa&#039;s Markets, Musings &#38; Meanders</description>
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		<title>Comment on 2 Quick, Powerful Fixes To Marketing That Don’t Involve Social Media by Rob</title>
		<link>http://ciampa.com/blog/2012/08/16/2-quick-powerful-fixes-to-marketing-that-don%e2%80%99t-involve-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 14:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erica,

With silos come politics, finger-pointing, and lack of performance. In lieu of full integration of all functions, marketing can be an incredibly powerful integration function. The challenge is for marketers to come down from their sterile perches and jump in the mud with their sales and customer service teams.

I really like your reminder to smaller businesses. They&#039;re the ones who can most quickly leverage (and execute on) the integration of skills across functions.

Sincerely,
Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erica,</p>
<p>With silos come politics, finger-pointing, and lack of performance. In lieu of full integration of all functions, marketing can be an incredibly powerful integration function. The challenge is for marketers to come down from their sterile perches and jump in the mud with their sales and customer service teams.</p>
<p>I really like your reminder to smaller businesses. They&#8217;re the ones who can most quickly leverage (and execute on) the integration of skills across functions.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Rob</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2 Quick, Powerful Fixes To Marketing That Don’t Involve Social Media by Rob</title>
		<link>http://ciampa.com/blog/2012/08/16/2-quick-powerful-fixes-to-marketing-that-don%e2%80%99t-involve-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-367</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 14:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meta,

I absolutely agree, but I frequently hear the counter-argument, &quot;Well, I&#039;m not technical...&quot; Or, &quot;I&#039;m not this...&quot; Or, &quot;I&#039;m not that...&quot;

My retort, &quot;You&#039;re right and you&#039;re not in touch with your market either.&quot;

Granted, some products don&#039;t lend themselves to use by a typical marketer. Grenade launchers come to mind. But...it shouldn&#039;t stop marketers from going as deep as they can on their products.

Great point and thanks for bringing it up.

Regards,
Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meta,</p>
<p>I absolutely agree, but I frequently hear the counter-argument, &#8220;Well, I&#8217;m not technical&#8230;&#8221; Or, &#8220;I&#8217;m not this&#8230;&#8221; Or, &#8220;I&#8217;m not that&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>My retort, &#8220;You&#8217;re right and you&#8217;re not in touch with your market either.&#8221;</p>
<p>Granted, some products don&#8217;t lend themselves to use by a typical marketer. Grenade launchers come to mind. But&#8230;it shouldn&#8217;t stop marketers from going as deep as they can on their products.</p>
<p>Great point and thanks for bringing it up.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Rob</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2 Quick, Powerful Fixes To Marketing That Don’t Involve Social Media by Erica Holthausen</title>
		<link>http://ciampa.com/blog/2012/08/16/2-quick-powerful-fixes-to-marketing-that-don%e2%80%99t-involve-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-364</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica Holthausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always felt that the separation of sales, marketing and customer service was short-sighted and, frankly, a piss-poor idea. Your post makes the argument much more coherently than I have ever done. This should be read by every single small business -- and it&#039;s a great reminder to solo- and micropreneurs that there is some real power to an integrated approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always felt that the separation of sales, marketing and customer service was short-sighted and, frankly, a piss-poor idea. Your post makes the argument much more coherently than I have ever done. This should be read by every single small business &#8212; and it&#8217;s a great reminder to solo- and micropreneurs that there is some real power to an integrated approach.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2 Quick, Powerful Fixes To Marketing That Don’t Involve Social Media by Meta Brown</title>
		<link>http://ciampa.com/blog/2012/08/16/2-quick-powerful-fixes-to-marketing-that-don%e2%80%99t-involve-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>Meta Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

May I add one more item to the list? Fix #3. Give marketers product training and insist that they use the product themselves.

Nobody sounds authentic plugging something they don&#039;t understand and wouldn&#039;t touch with a 10-foot pole. A lot of B2B marketing sounds like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>May I add one more item to the list? Fix #3. Give marketers product training and insist that they use the product themselves.</p>
<p>Nobody sounds authentic plugging something they don&#8217;t understand and wouldn&#8217;t touch with a 10-foot pole. A lot of B2B marketing sounds like that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hey Marketer, RTFM by 2 Quick, Powerful Fixes To Marketing That Don’t Involve Social Media</title>
		<link>http://ciampa.com/blog/2010/03/28/hey-marketer-rtfm/comment-page-1/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>2 Quick, Powerful Fixes To Marketing That Don’t Involve Social Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] product does or how their services function. They must answer this from a customer perspective. In another piece, I wrote about the importance for marketers to know their products and study the documentation. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] product does or how their services function. They must answer this from a customer perspective. In another piece, I wrote about the importance for marketers to know their products and study the documentation. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Shitwork by Jonathan Kranz</title>
		<link>http://ciampa.com/blog/2012/01/10/shitwork/comment-page-1/#comment-268</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Kranz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, 

That thing about shitwork from highend players is all too true. I have a hair-raising story to tell about a famous tech company that I cannot share online. Yes, savor the suspense...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, </p>
<p>That thing about shitwork from highend players is all too true. I have a hair-raising story to tell about a famous tech company that I cannot share online. Yes, savor the suspense&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Shitwork by Rob</title>
		<link>http://ciampa.com/blog/2012/01/10/shitwork/comment-page-1/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,

Love the quote from TOH and I agree with it. I&#039;m usually a 3-quote guy and take the middle bid if all things are equal. Unfortunately, though, I&#039;ve seen shitwork from high end players as well (like some lawyers and management consultants) who delegate to incompetent underlings, but still charge $400/hour.

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>Love the quote from TOH and I agree with it. I&#8217;m usually a 3-quote guy and take the middle bid if all things are equal. Unfortunately, though, I&#8217;ve seen shitwork from high end players as well (like some lawyers and management consultants) who delegate to incompetent underlings, but still charge $400/hour.</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>Comment on Shitwork by Jonathan Kranz</title>
		<link>http://ciampa.com/blog/2012/01/10/shitwork/comment-page-1/#comment-263</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Kranz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very good post about a very bad problem.

There&#039;s another dimension to this issue, however. Years ago I was reading an article in &quot;This Old House&quot; magazine about selecting a contractor and came across a line I&#039;ll never forget: &quot;If you hire a contractor based on the submission of the lowest bid, consider yourself a co-conspirator in the project&#039;s failure.&quot;

Now I&#039;m not at all suggesting that this is what you did, Rob. But I have seen prospects conduct a race to the bottom -- should they then be surprised they got subpar results from bottom-feeder work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good post about a very bad problem.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s another dimension to this issue, however. Years ago I was reading an article in &#8220;This Old House&#8221; magazine about selecting a contractor and came across a line I&#8217;ll never forget: &#8220;If you hire a contractor based on the submission of the lowest bid, consider yourself a co-conspirator in the project&#8217;s failure.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m not at all suggesting that this is what you did, Rob. But I have seen prospects conduct a race to the bottom &#8212; should they then be surprised they got subpar results from bottom-feeder work?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Marketing House of Pizza by Rob</title>
		<link>http://ciampa.com/blog/2011/06/20/marketing-house-of-pizza/comment-page-1/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 00:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Erica. Having spent time in both the marketing business and the pizza business, I realized that linking them was easier than I previously thought. The parallels were surprising.

You raise a very important point: if the marketing organization is not aligned with corporate strategy, then its efforts are compromised. A recent study (http://www.fournaisegroup.com/Marketers-Lack-Credibility.asp?_fwaHound=13338182_12185_13338182_0_0_0_0) claimed that 73% of CEOs think marketers lack credibility. I wonder how many of those CEOs articulated strategic direction to not only their marketing teams, but to their entire organization. Maybe less than half. But it&#039;s not just the CEO; what about the head of marketing? In a small organization, such as many non-profits, nobody fills that seat. In larger organizations, the CMOs and VPs of Marketing better step up. It&#039;s time for a different mindset - on everyone&#039;s part.

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Erica. Having spent time in both the marketing business and the pizza business, I realized that linking them was easier than I previously thought. The parallels were surprising.</p>
<p>You raise a very important point: if the marketing organization is not aligned with corporate strategy, then its efforts are compromised. A recent study (<a href="http://www.fournaisegroup.com/Marketers-Lack-Credibility.asp?_fwaHound=13338182_12185_13338182_0_0_0_0" rel="nofollow">http://www.fournaisegroup.com/Marketers-Lack-Credibility.asp?_fwaHound=13338182_12185_13338182_0_0_0_0</a>) claimed that 73% of CEOs think marketers lack credibility. I wonder how many of those CEOs articulated strategic direction to not only their marketing teams, but to their entire organization. Maybe less than half. But it&#8217;s not just the CEO; what about the head of marketing? In a small organization, such as many non-profits, nobody fills that seat. In larger organizations, the CMOs and VPs of Marketing better step up. It&#8217;s time for a different mindset &#8211; on everyone&#8217;s part.</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>Comment on Marketing House of Pizza by Erica Holthausen</title>
		<link>http://ciampa.com/blog/2011/06/20/marketing-house-of-pizza/comment-page-1/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica Holthausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, that&#039;s what I&#039;m talkin&#039; about! Anyone who can turn food into a blog post on marketing has my attention. And to equate great pizza with great marketing earns my undying love and devotion! 

*swoon*

Alright, now back to business. When I worked as a marketing and development director at a nonprofit organization, I was often left out of strategy meetings -- especially for programs and, surprisingly enough, new initiatives. I would ask buckets of questions about the program descriptions I was given. I was always told that I didn&#039;t need to know so many details and informed that I was just to post the descriptions to the website. Marketing was undervalued -- even though it is critical to help fill seats and raise money. So, my advice for the dear CEO is to both educate your marketing staff about your products and services and take the time to learn from your marketing staff as well. It&#039;s true that you don&#039;t need to be the best marketer in the world, but you do need to know enough to be able to identify one.

Here&#039;s to the sensational pizzaiolo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m talkin&#8217; about! Anyone who can turn food into a blog post on marketing has my attention. And to equate great pizza with great marketing earns my undying love and devotion! </p>
<p>*swoon*</p>
<p>Alright, now back to business. When I worked as a marketing and development director at a nonprofit organization, I was often left out of strategy meetings &#8212; especially for programs and, surprisingly enough, new initiatives. I would ask buckets of questions about the program descriptions I was given. I was always told that I didn&#8217;t need to know so many details and informed that I was just to post the descriptions to the website. Marketing was undervalued &#8212; even though it is critical to help fill seats and raise money. So, my advice for the dear CEO is to both educate your marketing staff about your products and services and take the time to learn from your marketing staff as well. It&#8217;s true that you don&#8217;t need to be the best marketer in the world, but you do need to know enough to be able to identify one.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to the sensational pizzaiolo!</p>
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